As an admin here, I find discussions of "modding" to be the effective equivalent of "hacking". However, in the context of a game that's no longer being updated/supported by the original authors, I see it as "fans supporting fans". Personally, I don't have (nor want) access to the Windows version of the game, so it's a bit of a moot point for me anyway.

In the context of linking to external sites for same, I'll leave that for DIW bureaucrats like Dragonian King to determine what's appropriate.

Hello.

I completely understand your worries as we are decrypting files which is a bit of a gray area. But we reached out to former VP of Avalanche - Bill Roper - and he said it is very unlikely that they would take legal action. They would only be if we were to make weird stuff like nude mods that violate what Disney stands for.

You speak of the windows version as if it's not available anymore. It's on steam and there is no need to pirate it if that's where your worries are.

I am a bit surprised by the hostility towards modding as a concept but I hope we can figure something out regardless!

Our goal is just to get more people interested in modding the game. People that it may be relevant too! Who doesn't want to play as peter pan?! :D

Best regards BeyondCarl c:

Okay,... first off, as you noted, I can't see Disney taking action unless it violated Disney's view of the game and its rating as they released it. It would otherwise likely be difficult to convince a court that someone "hacking" or "modding" a game that Disney neither maintains nor supports as being detrimental to their company, when there's no longer access to Disney servers and/or multiplayer content that's inaccessible without them (so nothing to affect other players anyway). Personally, I would take any response from former employees with a grain of salt, as they're not in a position to make any statements that are legally binding one way or another. If I was running a site for such content, I'd want an official response from the Disney legal department in writing before I even got started.

Secondly, no - you're wrong; I made no indication that I considered it wasn't available anymore. What I said was "I don't have (nor want) access to the Windows version". I run macOS here; I'm not interested in setting up BootCamp or otherwise purchasing any version of Windows (or the hardware to support same) for any reason - Disney Infinity or otherwise.

Thirdly, I'd recommend reconsidering your tone and not automatically calling out views that are different from yours as being "hostility". Some companies allow modding (and even support it), others don't. Whether sites such as Fandom/Gamepedia allow discussing/posting such things is pretty much up to those sites and their perception of any corresponding liability.

Lastly, as I mentioned above with regard to linking to external sites, I'll leave that for Dragonian King to determine what he feels is appropriate in this context.

Hey there again!

First, we do not have download links on our wiki to any files that are Disney's own. That would be illegal and count as piracy. This site documents how you do it. Which is not illegal. Just like it's not illegal to run a site that teaches you how to hack. I also want to remind you that there are only former employees and that the legal team does not take emails from random people. Bill Roper is the best we have (even though I don't feel like we need any proof as we're modifying our personal copies and - as said before - not distributing any files made by Disney)

Secondly, I'm glad it was just a misunderstanding. I understand what you're saying but I also don't see why it matters whether you would want to mod or not? But again I might just be misunderstanding why you're including that.

Third, I didn't mean to sound angry, annoyed, or in any kind of negative way. I was just confused with you comparing modding to hacking (as that is quite absurd when you look at the definition of hacking). I simply cannot understand why your views on modding, and your wants to mod are relevant to the final decision you aren't going to make anyway? Disney neither supports nor opposes modding as they have never given an official response. What we're doing is not illegal and Disney has not told us to stop so I see no reason to oppose our community to the degree I feel you are. To me, it feels like you're painting us as criminals based on your assumptions about how we do things.

I hope I've misunderstood the tone of your message as well as the meaning behind it.

Best regards BeyondCarl - still - from the DisneyInfinityMods Wiki

Here we go again...

First, you seem to be going off the deep end on topics and details that I never raised; I don't see the point. Pressing points such as "it's not illegal to run a site that teaches you how to hack" isn't helping your case.

Secondly, you're still missing the point that you brought up the Windows version yourself. I was providing clarification, and now you're going off again on why it would matter. You need to read, and take time to understand what's being said, before you react as if someone's out to get you. That isn't the case.

Third, whether you're speaking to a wiki admin or anyone else, calling out someone's comparison/opinion as "absurd" isn't going to help your case, either. And again, you're going off the deep end and making accusations of being "painted as criminals" where none exists.

And yes, you have misunderstood both the tone of my message as well as the meaning behind it. You seem to be missing my points entirely, and ascribing some alternative meaning where none exists.

With regard to whether or not a given admin is going to make a final decision, don't discount admins as having neither opinion nor influence with regard to the direction a given wiki may choose (not) to take. If all you're looking for is a generic "affiliates" cross-listing between sites, we have several of those already on the main page, and I wouldn't see this as any different. If it's something more, you'll have to explain in detail what you're referring to.

I'm going to give you an opportunity to review the thread and revise your remarks accordingly. You seem to be going off the deep end for no apparently well-defined reason.

I am glad I misunderstood you and misinterpreted your message. I don't think we should continue arguing as I doubt we'll ever agree and I quite frankly don't have time to write three to five paragraphs once every few hours.

I hope you can pass this thread on to a bureaucrat that can then make the final decision.

Again, I'm sorry that it went down this path and I wish you and the wiki all the best going forwards.

Best regards BeyondCarl from the DisneyInfinityMods Wiki.

You probably should have contacted them in the first place. :I

My apologies, I wasn't aware of this thread until now. First of all, I don't see much of an issue with discussing modding myself. It's up to individual companies whether they will support/discourage/ignore modding, but even companies that are notoriously stingy on modding like Nintendo rarely take action on mods besides taking steps to prevent them on their own hardware/software. Takedowns of the mods at the source are rare and usually only done for copyright reasons (i.e. distributing the game's code or improper use of IP). I can't imagine why modding in and of itself would cause issue. As long as the game's own code isn't being distributed, it should be fine. (Disclaimer: I am not a legal expert nor involved in any modding scenes, this is just my own perception/opinion.)

However... I did look at the wiki, and it appears to have gone mostly inactive since this discussion. I'm concerned about a possible lack of quality control and that I can't be certain that the downloads being provided are safe. At the end of the day, a user browsing the wiki would be responsible for their own choices, but I'm not sure I feel comfortable endorsing it with a link on the main page. I'm open to discussing this further but I'm hesitant to list it at this time.

Thanks for a reply. Otherwise this may have never been answered. About the concerns, I can seen your perspective on it. Your a bureaucrat on a wiki with a good reputation, you surely don’t want to be involved with a (potentially) malicious wiki. You could lose your position. Or worse, the whole wiki closes.

Not a bureaucrat from that wiki.

Nica.

I would sure like to help!